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LGBT Activists In Moscow Arrested On Video, Beaten In Police Station
“They [beat] two of us … before that they took us upstairs and said that we have to “suck their cocks” and that we have to be burned,” the activists texted from inside the police station. Update: The eight Russian protestors were released around 12:30 Moscow time.
posted on February 7, 2014 at 2:44pm EST
J. Lester Feder
Elena Kostyuchenko being arrested in Moscow on Friday during a protest in Red Square. facebook.com / Via Facebook: elena.kostyuchenko.7
Updated: 4:30 p.m. EST
Police arrested a group of around 10 LGBT activists in Moscow’s Red Square on Friday evening as they sang the Russian national anthem as the Olympic opening ceremonies began while holding a rainbow flag. The detentions follow the arrest of four LGBT activists earlier in the day in St. Petersburg for taking photographs while holding a banner opposing discrimination during the Olympics.
This video captured the police breaking up the group in Red Square before taking them to the Kitai-Gorod police station:
The website OVDinfo.org, which tracks detentions in Russia, reported that the Russians in detention include Elena Kostyuchenko, Anna Anenkova Gleb Warrior, Lynne Reid, Olga Mazurova, Knicks Nemeni Tarja Polyakova, and Daria Starshinina.
The group included two Swedish activists, who were released about an hour after they were detained. One of the Swedes, Ulrika Westerlund of the LGBT organization RFSL, emailed to BuzzFeed a transcript of a text message exchange she had with Russian activists still in detention that reported at least two of the group had been beaten and threatened with sexual abuse.
The last of these messages arrived 11:30 p.m. Moscow time, or 2:30 p.m. in New York.
Text message from me: We didn’t sign anything. Are you all still there?
From them: Yes, in cage. They beated [sic] two of us
Me: oh no, who? What can we do? Can you keep reporting? Are all of you in the same cage?
Them: Two queers. Before that they took us upstairs and said that we have to “suck their cocks” and that we have to be burned. When we said that we gonna complain. So they bring us back to cage. So we dont let them close it without paper, pen and their names. So they beat two of us and then used cuffs
Them: Yes we are together. Now we are singing
New text from them: They beated [sic] our people again - cause we asked to let our public defender come to us. They didnt give us any docs
OVDinfo.org also provided this account of events inside the police station:
OVD-Info spoke to the arrested [activists] in Kitai-Gorod police station, they are all currently in a cage, and two of them… are handcuffed to it. [Police] kicked them into the cage and twisted their arms. At some point Elena Kostyuchenko and Reida Lin were taken upstairs, where two men in civilian clothes insulted them and offered to provide sexual services, all under the pretense of filling out some sort of form, the arrested did not manage to learn their names and they were not allowed to write a complaint. As yet no charges have been filed against the arrested [activists] and it is not clear what will happen to them.
Update - Feb. 7, 4:45 P.M., EST
The eight Russians were released at around 12:30 Moscow time, protest organizers Elena Kostyuchenko, told BuzzFeed by phone after her release. None were seriously injured, though she reported they police officers almost broke two of the protestors’ arms by closing the door of the cage, some were kicked by police officers while handcuffed to the cage, and one protestor was momentarily choked by a police officer placing his arm across his throat. She was not formally charged, she said, because she insisted on complaining about the officers’ conduct before signing a charge sheet.
Like the activists arrested in St. Petersburg earlier on Friday, Kostyuchenko believes police knew about the protest in advance by tapping her phone, and were waiting for them. She said that she changed the location 30 minutes before the protest, and only communicated the new location through phone calls and text messages, which she believes were intercepted.
“I think they hear my phone and read my text messages,” she said. “I can’t explain it any way.”
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ja stvarno ne znam da li kod vas u Srbiji i zemljama exYu ikako stižu ove vesti i da li se ikako informiše o ovom, .......
da se slicno desava u hrvatskoj i te kako bismo bili informisaniji o tome.
hocu reci, usa-rusija je analogno srbija-hrvatska samo sto ovi prvi ne planiraju da prestanu i to rade vrlo vesto tako da ljudi to gutaju.
medjunarodnu zajednicu boli kurac za ljudska prava, to je igra politike. od spaljivanja lgbt osoba u ugandi, preko grupnog silovanja i ubistava na javnim mestima u indiji do legalizovanog nasilja nad zenama u avganistanu i jos gomiletina ostalih mnogo gorih mesta za manjine... rusija nije ni blizu a u zizi je konstantno.
hocu reci, usa-rusija je analogno srbija-hrvatska samo sto ovi prvi ne planiraju da prestanu i to rade vrlo vesto tako da ljudi to gutaju.
medjunarodnu zajednicu boli kurac za ljudska prava, to je igra politike. od spaljivanja lgbt osoba u ugandi, preko grupnog silovanja i ubistava na javnim mestima u indiji do legalizovanog nasilja nad zenama u avganistanu i jos gomiletina ostalih mnogo gorih mesta za manjine... rusija nije ni blizu a u zizi je konstantno.
da, ali izgleda i tebi treba ponavljati--- Rusija je zemlja potpisnica i benefitarna članica svih pan-evropskoatlantskih asocijacija koje imaju pravila za poštovanje i zaštitu svih ljudskih prava, izuzev članstva u EU i Nato.
Uganda, Indija, Afganistan... nisu. to ne znači da se može dozvoliti ovim koje nisu da rade gejevima, ženama...šta hoće.
samo znači da se barem one koje jesu potpisnice i benefitarne članice moraju obavezati da ono što su potpisali i od čega, između ostalog, benefituju moraju da poštuju i primenjuju.
zar ovo treba objašnjavati? zar vama nekima u Srbiji i zemljama exYu još uvek i dalje nije jasno da ono što je potpisano i čega je deo na papiru i praksi, zemlja ima da poštuje i primenjuje??? i, još se radi o sopstvenim ruskim gejevima, poreznim obveznicima, radnicima, volonterima, sopstvenim članovima društva, a ne o nekim inostranim zapadnim ....
stvarno, Anhe, nisam znao da tebi ovo treba objašnjavati.
mislim, bar dve stvari ovde trebaju biti raščišćene
1. zašto i dokle će se gejevi jedne nacije jednog društva jedne države tretirati kao strano tkivo iako su činjenice da žive, rade, doprinose, volontiraju, plaćaju (tj. finansiraju) državu i društvo koja ih hoće da tretira kao strano tkivo
2. dokle će Rusija, Srbija i sl. zemlje istočne polovine Evrope da potpisuju i benefituju (a potpisali su nešto što je eksplicitno za dobrobit svog sopstvenog društva, ne tuđeg) od nečeg dok to isto što su potpisali rutinski i brutalno krše? zar ne bi bilo poštenije onda odstupiti od svih međunarodnih kontakata s progresivnijim delom sveta i samoizolovati se ili povezati se s Ugandom, Indijom, Afganistanom, Saudijom, i prekinuti sve - ali sve kontakte- s EU i Zapadom, in general?
bar bi bilo poštenije i manje licemerno.
tada bi zapad zaista nemao druge do otvoriti granice za prihvat što više moguće gej/bi Rusa i Ruskinja, a putin režim bi mogao da uživa izolovan ili u društvu mile mu Saudije u hetero-čistoj gadariji od društva mu.
baš zato što jesu bitni ljudi rekoh i to ponavljam---- tada bi zapad zaista nemao druge do otvoriti granice za prihvat što više moguće gej/bi Rusa i Ruskinja.
svršen čin gejevima Rusije je nažalost već poodavno stvoren putin režimovom homomržnjom. sada treba taj svršen čin baciti konačno eksplicite u samo putin režimovo dvorište. taj režim treba dovesti da bira i da odredi gde je, s kim je i šta je. hoće Saudija model, no problem, getta fuck out of the Council of Europe, United Nations Security Council, G8, G20, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), the World Trade Organisation and Partnership for Peace!
još samo na ovaj deo da odgovorim činjenicama, pošto izgleda da je Anhe bio pošao s stereotipnim pokupljenim od društva u Srbiji antiameričkim predstavama o američkim medijima koji su "prema Rusiji kao hrt prema Srbiji..." ili šta... to su stereotipne društvenosrpske zaluđenosti koje veze s stvarnošću nemaju
hocu reci, usa-rusija je analogno srbija-hrvatska samo sto ovi prvi ne planiraju da prestanu i to rade vrlo vesto tako da ljudi to gutaju.
Anhe, prvi link koji sam sinoć dao je iz mog webmaila, od IGLHRC-a, ne s američkih korporativnih medija. "ne brini/te", američki korporativni mediji, čast samo progresivnim medijima koji nisu korporativni, zaista ne prenose puno o iživljavanju putin režima nad gejevima u Rusiji niti ih briga. tja, ima puno putin-alike američkih verzija antigeja po korporativnim medijima.
dakle, dao sam link IGLHRCa. valjda znaš ko su i šta su IGLHRC, a ako ne znaš a interesuje te, evo http://iglhrc.org/" target="_blank . najdirektniji link http://iglhrc.org/content/5-actions-sup ... t-russians" target="_blank
to nikakve veze nema s navodnom američkom medijskom opsednutošću dešavanjima u Rusiji.
svi ostali linkovi proizilaze s tog IGLHRC emaila.
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5 Actions You Can Take to Support LGBT Russians
With the kickoff of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, today, we've seen numerous reports of activists being arrested for peaceful acts.
In St. Petersburg, 4 activists were arrested for posing in photos with a banner quoting the non-discrimination principle of the Olympic Charter. In Moscow, 10 were arrested and have reportedly been harassed and beaten by police for waving rainbow flags while singing Russia's National Anthem in Red Square.
As the Olympics continue and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Russians continue to face discrimination, violence and harassment, IGLHRC has collected 5 actions you can take to show solidarity and support for LGBT equality in Russia during and after the games.
1. Change Your Profile Picture to Promote LGBT Equality
The Russian LGBT Network encourages supporters to change their social media profile pictures to the image below to express solidarity with LGBT indviduals and call on the International Olympic Committee to uphold its mission and promote LGBT equality and non-discrimination during the games.
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daleko od toga da stajem na stranu rusije u njihovom politickom ratu, naprotiv, stajem na stranu usa, ali to radim svesno i vidim taj politicki rat. rusija mi je podjedako odvratna kao i ranije, samo mi je sad i ta medjunarodna zajednica odvratna jer ignorise ljude kojima je mnooooogo gore zarad politike.
ali, nema ovde strane usa!
ovde je strana ceo iole imalo progresivniji svet tj. deo sveta a kojeg putin režim bi da se pika da je deo (kada mu trebaju pare) vs. putin režim i ono što bi on hteo da nametne celoj Rusiji i Evropi. putin režim mora da nauči da on nikada neće prevaspitati ne samo Evropu ni Zapad već ni svoje sopstvene građane gej/bi orijentacije!
luđak putin i njegov režim je na misiji nekog "svetskog primera odbrane morala" a to je najkriminalnija deluzivna i zla misija koja da nije smešna --- on kao razvedenjak, kao potencijalni silovatelj čije direktive policajcima mu su da lezbejke imaju da puše tim policajcima kurac da bi ih ostavili na miru (eto, moralnih porodičnih pravoslavnih vrednosti!), gad koji se reklamiše po hetero pornjavi i tabloidima kao neki mačo muškarčina koji osvaja srca maloletnih devojčica.....--- bi bila žalosna. a žalosna je i krajnje opasna jer je sasvim stvarna, tj. baš se to dešava sada, i dok ovo pišem u Rusiji.
radi se o ruskom hitleru (zapravo, čak ni hitler se bar nije tabloidski ludovao niti se kurčio po svemu i svačemu...) koji MORA BITI ZAUSTAVLJEN NA OVAJ ILI ONAJ NAČIN!!!
tu je strana usa još ponajmanje važna.
zapravo, Ujedinjene Nacije, EU, Savet Evrope, OSCE ali i slovensko-jezični kulturno-demografski deo Evrope je na potezu!
dalje, kako MZ ignoriše kada upravo govori, a čim progovori poklapate ju s tipičnim ofucanim srpskim društvenim bulažnjenjima o nekoj kao uroti?
Postoji mnogo gorih stvari od putina PA OPET PUTIN MORA BITI ZAUSTAVLJEN. Putin mora biti zaustavljen jer ruska ekonomija jaca. Ljudska prava nisu uzrok vec povod.
I samo procitaj taj tvoj post, molim te, zvucis kao neki fanatik.
joj, nemoj mi molim te o jakoći putinove ruske ekonomije......
jes, jako je biti jak izvlačiti pare i interese s zapadnih asocijacija i iz kompanija koje bi samo da profitiraju... i zloupotrebljavati tu jakoću s kgbovskim kultom ličnosti i tiranijom.... pravi srpski i ruski baja muškarčina, vožd, ma, divota....
ali, to s savremenim uspešnijim društvom nacije mu/vam i svetom nema veze, pobogu prošla su vremena turaka i ustaša!
ja samo opisujem DELIĆ DELA svih gadosti koje se čine nad gej ljudskim pravima pod putin režimom. upravo zato jer VOLIM fine i drugačije Ruse i jer me UŽASNO BOLI kroz šta prolaze.
jeste, ja budem uzrujan kad se onolika nepravda čini. ne podnosim nepravdu, pa to ti je. ako je to "zvučim kao fanatik", neka ti je....
p.s. Anhe, je li hoćeš reći da i IGLHRC hoće da zaustavi putina "jer ruska ekonomija pod njim jača"?
ako ti i dalje nisi svestan zašto to što ima mnogo gorih mesta za gej ljude od Rusije (da, sva van Evrope, a Rusija je u Evropi, naročito njen najvažniji deo) nije dobar razlog za relativizovati, ti i ja nemamo šta dalje pričati.
ako ti i dalje nisi svestan koju i kakvu ulogu je putin i njegov režim namenio sebi i za svet zlokoristeći veličinu i uticaj zemlje u kojoj diktatoriše, ti i ja nemamo šta dalje pričati.
ako je tebi IGLHRC fanatizam (a samo šta dokumentuje i kaže IGLHRC sam i izneo), ti i ja nemamo šta dalje pričati.
jer mogao bih i ja onu tvoju temu kritike o srpskom fejsbuku i kakva se sva homomržnja dopušta tamo, nazvati tvojim fanatizmom, a nisam, nego sam se sasvim složio s tobom.
...samo vi u Srbiji ni ne pomišljajte da se solidarišete i povežete s ruskim gej/bi ljudima ni da živnete ni da se trgnete da nešto konstruktivno za vas i gejeve slovenskih jezičnih i kulturnih područja uradite...ma, taman vam posla.... što bi, kad dačić, palma, seljaković, vučić, nikolić, amfilohije, irinej.... žive za vas.....
...samo vi u Srbiji ni ne pomišljajte da se solidarišete i povežete s ruskim gej/bi ljudima ni da živnete ni da se trgnete da nešto konstruktivno za vas i gejeve slovenskih jezičnih i kulturnih područja uradite...ma, taman vam posla.... što bi, kad dačić, palma, seljaković, vučić, nikolić, amfilohije, irinej.... žive za vas.....
President Vladimir Putin gives an interview to Russian and foreign journalists in Sochi on January 19, 2014.
By Lynn Berry, The Associated Press
MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered new assurances to gay athletes and fans attending the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics next month. Yet he defended Russia's anti-gay law by equating gays with pedophiles and said Russia needs to "cleanse" itself of homosexuality if it wants to increase its birth rate.
Putin's comments in an interview broadcast Sunday with Russian and foreign television stations showed the wide gulf between the perception of homosexuality in Russia versus the West.
A Russian law passed last year banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" among minors has caused an international outcry.
Putin refused to answer a question from the BBC on whether he believes that people are born gay or become gay. The Russian law, however, suggests that information about homosexuality can influence a child's sexual orientation.
The law has contributed to growing animosity toward gays in Russian society, with rights activists reporting a rise in harassment and abuse.
International worries about how gays will be treated in Sochi have been met with assurances from Russian officials and Olympics organizers that there will be no discrimination in Sochi, and Putin reiterated that stance.
"There are no fears for people with this nontraditional orientation who plan to come to Sochi as guests or participants," Putin declared in the TV interview.
He said the law was aimed at banning propaganda of homosexuality and pedophilia, suggesting that gays are more likely to abuse children.
Making another favorite argument against homosexuality, Putin noted with pride that Russia saw more births than deaths last year for the first time in two decades. Population growth is vital for Russia's development and "anything that gets in the way of that we should clean up," he said, using a word usually reserved for military operations .
Putin accused the United States of double standards in its criticism of Russia, pointing to laws that remain on the books in some U.S. states classifying gay sex as a crime. The U.S. Supreme Court, however, ruled in 2003 that such laws were unconstitutional.
Homosexuality was a crime in the entire former Soviet Union, which collapsed in 1991. It was decriminalized in Russia in 1993.
The Sochi Winter Olympics run Feb. 7-23.
i, ja sam fanatik, a putin nije..... na jednom nazovi gej forumu......
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