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By Skai
#955077
E dobila sam drugu zvezdicu za prethodni post :)
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By Gaia
#955273
Originally posted by Niki
Na to je psihijatrica reagovala: Aha... znači nisi osećala gađenje prema penisu pred doktorkom, osećala si se sasvim normalno, prijatno, znači to je kod tebe sve na psihičkoj bazi! I onda je nastavila sa time da se ja neću operisati sledeće godine, a ni u ovom veku, a ni drugi kao ja (ne znam samo kakvi to).
Ona doista nije kompetnetna za rad sa transseksulcima i zato što prije mijenjaj psihologa. Meni zapravo uopće nije jasno zašto si ti izprva išla njoj ili bilo kakvom drugom psihologu pored onog tima psihijatara koji su educirani i kvalifikovani za rad sa transseksualnim osobama?

Originally posted by Niki
Mana inekcija je što izazivaju ekcesno povećanje prolaktin hormona, što u vrednostima većim od 1000 pikograma po mililitru izaziva curenje mleka. Meni nije poznato da li tako visok nivo prolaktina donosi neku dodatnu korist u feminizaciji tela.
A zašto je curenje mlijeka problem? Meni bi bilo super da mi curi mlijeko, ali zapravo nemam predstavu o tome što znači kada mlijeko curi: non stop ili se povremeno pojavi par kapi mlijeka?
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By femme_fatale
#955302
Originally posted by Zoe
@Niki, ta nije normalna!! Evo, ja sam se potresla........ :avalon:
Žena je stvarno čudna. Ne znam, možda je to neka njena metoda u pokušaju da me istera iz takta i izazove nekakve burne reakcije, jer sam ja uvek smirena i ljubazna. A, možda i nije to, s obzirom da i drugi imaju slična, negativna iskustva.
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By femme_fatale
#955310
Originally posted by Andre87
Originally posted by Niki
Baš me zanima kako će proteći naš sledeći susret. Inače, kada budem imala vremena, preduzeću nešto protiv te psihijatrice jer mislim da mnogima može škoditi.
Niki, slazem se da moze mnogima da naskodi tako da ako ti bude potrebna pomoc oko peticije ili necega racunaj na mene.
Hvala Andre, sačekaću da završim sa njom, da vidim kako će sve biti, i da proverim da li je moje mišljenje objektivno, i pokušaću da čujem da li je još neko sa njom imao ovakva iskustva osim nas. Onda ću kada se budem malo sredila, bar pokušati da pričam sa nekim ljudima na tu temu, da se nešto preduzme. Ako ništa drugo, bar da neka druga stručna osoba preuzme taj deo posla, ili da se jasno da do znanja da je transeksualne i slične osobe izbegavaju. Nadam se da bar postoji još jedan psihijatar sposoban za rad sa ovakvim ljudima. Računaću na tebe... :)
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By femme_fatale
#955318
Originally posted by Andre87

Svako je trans na svoj nacin i to najmanje ima veze sa polnim organima...u pitanju su duboka osecanja koja oni uproscuju..odrekao bih se recimo seksa do kraja zivota ako bi to bila cena da zivim kao muskarac i nisam jedini koji tako razmislja...i to mi nije najbitnije kod partnera...iako donja operacija ne pruza velike mogucnosti, meni su dovoljne, "vodis ljubav sa celim covekom ne njegovim polnim organom"...zenu ne cini vagina,muskarca ne cini penis

Imam taj plan koji polako realizujem...bez psiha.
Razumem te Andre, i ja slično razmišljam. Problem je možda u tome što nas posmatraju na niskom emotivnom, psihološkom, i intelektualnom nivou.
Nije sramota neznati, sramota je misliti da znaš sve i da ne treba da učiš.
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By femme_fatale
#955322
Originally posted by Skai
Uh odavno se nisam ovako iznervirala zbog nekog koga ni ne poznajem. Svraticu ovde sledeci put kad mi bude bio nizak pritisak...

Usput, vama svaka cast na iskrenosti, ali ja idalje ne razumem cemu to vodi. Kad vec znate sta ona zeli da cuje to joj i recite i zavrsite posao.
Pa, osoba oseća potrebu da njena istinska osećanja budu prepoznata i prihvaćena, i da zaista radi na tome sa psihijatrom. Jednostavno, očekivala sam mnogo viši nivo. Tužno je da se stvari svode na to: "Recite joj ono što želi da čuje, i završite posao". Ali ako drugog izbora nema...
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By femme_fatale
#955324
Originally posted by Skai
E dobila sam drugu zvezdicu za prethodni post :)
Posrećilo ti se kod mene. :)
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By femme_fatale
#955360
Originally posted by Niki
Na to je psihijatrica reagovala: Aha... znači nisi osećala gađenje prema penisu pred doktorkom, osećala si se sasvim normalno, prijatno, znači to je kod tebe sve na psihičkoj bazi! I onda je nastavila sa time da se ja neću operisati sledeće godine, a ni u ovom veku, a ni drugi kao ja (ne znam samo kakvi to).
Originally posted by Gaia
Ona doista nije kompetnetna za rad sa transseksulcima i zato što prije mijenjaj psihologa. Meni zapravo uopće nije jasno zašto si ti izprva išla njoj ili bilo kakvom drugom psihologu pored onog tima psihijatara koji su educirani i kvalifikovani za rad sa transseksualnim osobama?
Draga Gaia, ja sam dugo sama sa sobom radila na svemu ovome, i kada sam došla do zaključka šta je to samnom u pitanju i donela svoju odluku da uđem u tranziciju, odlučila sam da čujem šta će reći stručna osoba. Otišla sam kod psihijatra iz pomenutog tima, i ispričala mu iskreno na svoj način bar jedan deo svojih osećanja i situacija. Dopustio mi je da budem ono što jesam, da pričam. Više puta sam ne znajući rekla baš ono na osnovu čega je on doneo dijagnozu. Nije mi bila želja samo da dobijem dijagnozu, nisam ni razmišljala o tome, samo sam želela da popričam sa stručnjakom o mom "problemu", da čujem neutralnu osobu, da li će potvrditi ili negirati moje zaključke.
Prvi psihijatar je napisao dijagnozu. Ali, pošto je za početak terapije potrebno da dva psihijatra potvrde isto, prvi me je sam poslao kod drugog. I tako je to počelo. A ona se takođe bavi ovakvim osobama, mada joj je 98% ostalih pacijenata drugog tipa. Ona bi takođe trebalo da bude "educirana i kvalifikovana za rad sa transseksualnim osobama".
Originally posted by Niki
Mana inekcija je što izazivaju ekcesno povećanje prolaktin hormona, što u vrednostima većim od 1000 pikograma po mililitru izaziva curenje mleka. Meni nije poznato da li tako visok nivo prolaktina donosi neku dodatnu korist u feminizaciji tela.
Originally posted by Gaia
A zašto je curenje mlijeka problem? Meni bi bilo super da mi curi mlijeko, ali zapravo nemam predstavu o tome što znači kada mlijeko curi: non stop ili se povremeno pojavi par kapi mlijeka?
To kada curi mleko jeste, da kažem super, nekako emotivno i nežno, ali da li je zaista potreban tako visok nivo hormona? Zato sam rekla. Hoću da kažem da sam obazriva... Kod nekih devojaka mleko počne da malo izlazi kada se seksualno uzbude, ali najčešće kada se grudi blago stisnu rukama. Generalno je praksa da se u tim situacijama malo snize nivoi hormona jer se smatra da je to suviše visok nivo.
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By femme_fatale
#957903
Influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure
Abstract:
Objective: Sex hormones are not only involved in the formation of reproductive organs, but also induce sexually-dimorphic brain development and organization. Cross-sex hormone administration to transsexuals provides a unique possibility to study the effects of sex steroids on brain morphology in young adulthood.

Methods: Magnetic resonance brain images were made prior to, and during, cross-sex hormone treatment to study the influence of anti-androgen + estrogen treatment on brain morphology in eight young adult male-to-female transsexual human subjects and of androgen treatment in six female-to-male transsexuals.

Results: Compared with controls, anti-androgen + estrogen treatment decreased brain volumes of male-to-female subjects towards female proportions, while androgen treatment in female-to-male subjects increased total brain and hypothalamus volumes towards male proportions.

Conclusions: The findings suggest that, throughout life, gonadal hormones remain essential for maintaining aspects of sex-specific differences in the human brain.
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By femme_fatale
#959345
Ipak je ovo tema posvećena mojoj tranziciji...

Jedna stvar me prijatno iznenađuje; ljudi sa kojima sarađujem definitivno primećuju promene na meni. Možda ih malo te promene zbunjuju, ali me iznenađuje kako svi nekako postaju ljubazniji prema meni i lepše se ponašaju nego ranije. Da li su me za sada "provalili" ili ne, ne znam. Mada će jednog dana sve morati u većoj meri da izađe na videlo. Više puta je bilo komentara u fazonu mog novog "stila", ali sve uglavnom prolazi lagano i sa šalom. Čini mi se da nekako svi prema meni počinju da se ponašaju sa većom dozom obzira i pažnje, kao što bi prema nekoj dami. To mi prija... :) Možda osećaju nesvesno ženu u meni, a ona sada izlazi i na uši... skoro. Čak mi je najavljeno i velikooo unapređenje do kraja godine, tako da ću biti na veoma važnoj poziciji u firmi.
I dont know... možda im izgledam simpatično kada ladno dođem na posao u ženskoj rolci i sa kosom vezanom u rep. Ali ne mogu da odolim, to je jače od mene... a možda ima u tome nešto, sam postala još više nego što sam bila, ljubaznija sa svima, kooperativnija, nežnija, kreativnija, srećnija... Pa nekako počinješ da privlačiš sve više dobre stvari. Onda se može reći da je jedini recept za sreću da budeš ono što jesi.
Naravno, i mnogo vrhunskih rezultata je iza mene...
Primetila sam i da su ljudi sa kojima ređe sarađujem postali ljubazniji prema meni, i da su nekako, čini mi se, još više zainteresvani da sarađuju sada samnom. Tako mi izgleda u ovom trenutku, i to me baš prijatno iznenađuje.
Toliko o socijalnom aspektu moje tranzicije.
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By uoQUEERen
#959464
Originally posted by Niki
Onda se može reći da je jedini recept za sreću da budeš ono što jesi.
Naravno, i mnogo vrhunskih rezultata je iza mene...
Primetila sam i da su ljudi sa kojima ređe sarađujem postali ljubazniji prema meni, i da su nekako, čini mi se, još više zainteresvani da sarađuju sada samnom.
evo ovo i ja mogu da potpisem, iako fizicki sa tranazicijom nisma zapoceo :)
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By femme_fatale
#960414
Originally posted by uoQUEERen

evo ovo i ja mogu da potpisem, iako fizicki sa tranazicijom nisma zapoceo :)
Well, imamo nešto zajedničko, dva državljanstva... :)
BTW. ako ti nešto nije jasno pitaj, a i na forumima imaš gomilu dobrih tekstova napisanih ranije. Ja sam m2f.
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By Zoe
#960461
... a možda ima u tome nešto, sam postala još više nego što sam bila, ljubaznija sa svima, kooperativnija, nežnija, kreativnija, srećnija... Pa nekako počinješ da privlačiš sve više dobre stvari. Onda se može reći da je jedini recept za sreću da budeš ono što jesi.

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So true :up:
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By KosmickaCestica
#961420
You have to be exactly who and what you want to be
in life if you intend to find any measure of happiness.

Meghan Chavalier
#967584
Evo jedan vrlo interesanta tekst sa
http://transsexual.org/roles.html

WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A WOMAN OR A MAN
A provocative little look at the REAL reason you are going through
transition

"I just want to be an ordinary woman" cries out the Male-To-Female
transsexual. "I wish I had just been born a man in the first place!"
storms the Female-To-Male Transsexual.
These are common enough statements. I too have said both of them,
properly gendered to fit me of course, and felt them to be the
absolute truth. And in a part of my heart, they are.

But the experience of 16+ years has allowed me to learn and grow
enough to see a few things that I could not entirely see, back during
my transition. And the biggest lesson I have learned, is the real
reason for going through the perilous journey of transition - and it
is not to be a woman or a man.

Curious statement? Let me explain.

Being a 'Woman' or a 'Man' is more complex than you may realize. The
simple words convey a very great amount of information. To say that
someone is a 'Woman' not only defines a physical sex, but also
suggests a companioning gender identity, a common set of behavior
traits related to both, and... a socially created role as well.

One of the first things that the very young transsexual finds is that
the natural behaviors that they express just being in the world, are
not accepted by those around them. In every way, in every action,
there are expectations that conflict with natural expression. The
penalties for failing to meet these expectations can be very harsh,
and so the young transsexual most often picks up on this and finds
ways to adjust or act that reduce suffering.

This means that the young transsexual soon learns to become affected
in behavior, to become unnatural. They try very hard to conform, to
fit the expectations given them, so as not to be caused hurt. It does
not take many years of this, before understanding of what is natural
behavior and what is affected behavior, is lost or compromised.

When the transsexual reaches a time where something must and can be
done about their gender issues, there is often a great deal of
separation from both life, and true self going on. The best the lost
soul can do is to grasp at the nearest ideal or form of the original
suppressed self. The transsexual identifies with and seeks to emulate
the desired gender role, just as they emulated an uncomfortable one.

Gender roles are very elaborate and structured. They contain
virtually complete scripts, complex expectations, that cover every
aspect of life, from little matters such as walking or sitting, to
large matters, such as choice of career or options for lifestyle.

Lost to their core selves after years of self suppression, the
closest artificial role to that sought after self becomes
overwhelmingly desirable. But the transsexual will usually learn,
after several years, that this too, is not entirely right. Much
better than before, but still confining.

This is a state not limited to transsexuals. Gender roles are always
limiting for the simple reason that they are scripts, artificial
stereotypes based on averages rather than true self expression.

When I went through transition, I thought at first that I wanted to
be a Traditional Woman, or some variation on the concept, a mother, a
wife, a proper fit to the social role. Within months, for me at
least, this started to chafe, and by the time of my surgery, I was
angry at the entire concept. Few transsexuals realize the concept of
role and their limits so quickly, and they suffer accordingly.

What I grasped so early was that the reason I was going through
transition was not so that I could be a "Woman". I had no desire to
conform to an artificial role of any sort whatsoever. I realized that
trading one narrow set of expectations for another set of narrow
expectations - even if that new set was closer to my core self -
would not make me happy. I would be less unhappy, but still
miserable, in the conventional and limited role of a woman in
society.

The reason I was transitioning, was not to become a woman, it was to
become myself - whatever that actually turned out to mean.

The hormones definitely gave me a body that pleased me, that 'felt
right', a chemistry and perception that made me feel comfortable for
the first time. Surgery finally gave me the genitalia that conformed
to my own inner feeling of how I should be shaped. No longer did I
feel deformed, but instead finally felt healed.

But I quickly found that I did not want to be limited by any
expectations of how or what I was supposed to be. I wanted no part of
the role that society uses to define being a 'Woman'.

I reasoned it thus: If transsexuality is a real thing, and if it is
caused by innate gender differences in the brain, then it has nothing
whatsoever to do with social roles. Social roles must be derived from
natural expressions of average behavior, turned into stereotypes.
These stereotypes become rigid expectations.

If I truly had a female brain, then I would naturally already be a
woman, and the adoption of any social role would equivalent to acting
out an affected performance. Much of my suffering had derived from
feeling forced to perform an artificial role. The only path to
enduring happiness would come from being myself. If my brain was
truly as female as I believed, then my natural behavior, my
unaffected self, would make that obvious. If my brain was something
else, it did not matter, what mattered was that I would be free.

Surgery and hormones did serve me well. They gave me contentment and
peace of mind. They made me feel good, and feel physically and
mentally healed. There is no other reason to do either. Surgery and
hormones will not make anyone into a 'man' or a 'woman'. What they
can do is to alter shape, perception, chemistry, and flesh to a form
that the transsexual can live with comfortably. Really being a man or
a woman can only come from expressing one's true self, naturally.

What I learned is that the reason to go through transition is
definitely not to be a definable, labeled thing, such as a 'Man' or
a 'Woman'.

The reason to go through transition is to be able to be content with
the flesh that we wear, so that we can concentrate on being a
changing, dynamic, unique individual expression of our heartfelt
selves.

Whatever that mysterious self may turn out to be.

I have learned that no other path leads to enduring happiness.
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