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By ~ Le Saint X ~
#1408682
hmm...ali, onda ispada da je ti (njenu poeziju) ustvari ne gotivish zbog zivota njenog...
tj nesimpatiju sa jednog terena si prenela na drugi

sto je sasvim okej...

ja npr ne volim d agledam filmove odredjenih glumaca koji mi nisu fizicki privlacni, ma koliko oni sjajni glumci bili i td
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By walt333
#1408700
Originally posted by bas bleu


e vidis upravo taj "fascinantno jednolican zivot" je ono sto je meni problem - ako je vec, quoting you again, imala "****" za to kako je da onda came up with such horrible commonplaces?
evo uzmi larkina npr. skoro isto toliko jednolican zivot, poezija neuporedivo orignalnija.

OK poezija E.D. mozda nije skroz originalna i znam da je i ono originalnosti sto postoji u njenoj poeziji mozda vise produkt "nepoznavanja" poezije(ona nije imala priliku da se upozna sa poezijom velikana koji su stvarali u vreme kada je i ona pisala). Ali upravo ta originalnost koja ipak jednim delom postoji najavljuje ekspresionizam (bez obzira da li je to nastalo slucajno ili namerno). I to jeste cinjenica.

A drugo mislim da se uopste ne slazemo sta znaci "jednolican zivot". Meni je njen zivot zanimljiv, i stalno volim da iskopavam detalje.


Licno meni Vitmen mi je mnogo drazi, ali volim i Emili. Recimo kada bih ih ujednacivao rekao bih da su mi Vitmenove duge pesme mnogo uspesnije od njegovih kracih. A Emili ima par kratkih pesama koje su istinska remek dela po mom skromnom misljenju. tako da cu da kazem DA Vitmenovim poemama I DA Emilinim kratkim pesmama.
By ~ Le Saint X ~
#1408709
Ipak u mnogim antologijama poezije
naici cete na to da je ova pesma Emili

mozda najlepsa napisana na engleskom!!!!A svakako jedna od najkompleksnijih.

BECAUSE I could not stop for Death,
He kindly stopped for me;
The carriage held but just ourselves
And Immortality.

We slowly drove, he knew no haste,
And I had put away
My labor, and my leisure too,
For his civility.

We passed the school where children played
At wrestling in a ring;
We passed the fields of gazing grain,
We passed the setting sun.

We paused before a house that seemed
A swelling of the ground;
The roof was scarcely visible,
The cornice but a mound.

Since then ’t is centuries; but each
Feels shorter than the day
I first surmised the horses’ heads
Were toward eternity.
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By bas bleu
#1410467
Originally posted by ~anAMORphOsé~
hmm...ali, onda ispada da je ti (njenu poeziju) ustvari ne gotivish zbog zivota njenog...
tj nesimpatiju sa jednog terena si prenela na drugi

sto je sasvim okej...

ja npr ne volim d agledam filmove odredjenih glumaca koji mi nisu fizicki privlacni, ma koliko oni sjajni glumci bili i td
pre je da ne volim njenu poeziju uopste i kada to kazem glavni argument koji se daje u korist "kvaliteta" njene poezije jeste "ali kakav je zivot ona zivela". kada sam rekla da mi je njen nacin zivota problem mislila sam utoliko sto to nije nikakvo merilo ni za sta - dakle kao sto ti mozes da kazes da je njeno povlacenje iz mundane svakodnevice dalo posebnu dubinu/originalnost/viseznacnost njenoj poezije, ja isto tako mogu da tvrdim da neko ko jedva da je izlazio iz svoje sobe nikako nije u stanju da prenese neku kompleksnu emociju ili da cak nije u stanju ni da je prepozna. "beacuse i could not stop for death" je meni sjajan primer pretentious drivel pri cemu emily d. snosi najmanju krivicu za to jer je zena, meni se cini, pisala iskljucivo za svoju dusu na sta je imala puno pravo.

a i to sto u antologijama moze da se nadje da je to "mozda najlepsa pesma napisana na engleskom" - sve zavisi koje antologije citas tj ko su editors, izdavac i sl.
By ~ Le Saint X ~
#1410612
Pa, licno...meni ta pesma nije njena najbolja

a i u pravu si, razne antologije, stavljaju razne pesma kao najbolje napisane na engleskom
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By bas bleu
#1410619
fair enough, jedino sto bi onda imalo vise smisla da si naveo omiljenu ti njenu pesmu.

ovo je verovatno off ali me zanima koga najvise volis da citas od pesnika koji su pisali na engleskom?
By ~ Le Saint X ~
#1410623
Pa, kada zelim da citam necije pesme...ona mi je uvek #1
zatim A.E.Housman...uh, sad se utripova da li ide A ili E prvo...

elem, moje omiljene od Emily su:

I HAD no time to hate, because
The grave would hinder me,
And life was not so ample I
Could finish enmity.

Nor had I time to love; but since
Some industry must be,
The little toil of love, I thought,
Was large enough for me.


-----------------------------------

IN VAIN.

I CANNOT live with you,
It would be life,
And life is over there
Behind the shelf

The sexton keeps the key to,
Putting up
Our life, his porcelain,
Like a cup

Discarded of the housewife,
Quaint or broken;
A newer Sevres pleases,
Old ones crack.

I could not die with you,
For one must wait
To shut the other's gaze down, --
You could not.

And I, could I stand by
And see you freeze,
Without my right of frost,
Death's privilege?

Nor could I rise with you,
Because your face
Would put out Jesus',
That new grace

Glow plain and foreign
On my homesick eye,
Except that you, than he
Shone closer by.

They'd judge us -- how?
For you served Heaven, you know,
Or sought to;
I could not,

Because you saturated sight,
And I had no more eyes
For sordid excellence
As Paradise.

And were you lost, I would be,
Though my name
Rang loudest
On the heavenly fame.

And were you saved,
And I condemned to be
Where you were not,
That self were hell to me.

So we must keep apart,
You there, I here,
With just the door ajar
That oceans are,
And prayer,
And that pale sustenance,
Despair!

------------------------------

If you were coming in the fall,
I'd brush the summer by
With half a smile and half a spurn,
As housewives do a fly.

If I could see you in a year,
I'd wind the months in balls,
And put them each in separate drawers,
Until their time befalls.

If only centuries delayed,
I'd count them on my hand,
Subtracting till my fingers dropped
Into Van Diemen's land.

If certain, when this life was out,
That yours and mine should be,
I'd toss it yonder like a rind,
And taste eternity.

But now, all ignorant of the length
Of time's uncertain wing,
It goads me, like the goblin bee,
That will not state its sting.

&

naravno


I'm Nobody! Who are you?
Are you Nobody Too?
Then there's a pair of us!
Don't tell! they'd advertise you know!

How dreary to be Somebody!
How public like a Frog
To tell one's name the livelong June
To an admiring Bog!
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By bas bleu
#1410626
another fag, lepo :wink2:

a jel volimo ista sto nije u gradivu?
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By bas bleu
#1410635
nije bas da se slazem ali to je druga tema.

ono sto ocekujem, ipak, je da ako je neko uspesno i sa razumevanjem savladao gradivo da ce u jednom trenutku go out there on their own i pronaci nesto novo, uzbudljivo i nesazvakano milionima puta od strane nesvrsenih studenta i wannabe kriticara (for the record, ne kazem da si ti ista od ovoga).
By ~ Le Saint X ~
#1410783
Pa, kada je u gradivu dato sve sto je bukvalno nastalo na odredjenom tlu, ne vidim mesta za trazenje neceg novog i uzbudljivog

osim ako ne mislis na neke totally independent poets
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By smaug
#1410837
Originally posted by ~anAMORphOsé~
Pa, kada je u gradivu dato sve sto je bukvalno nastalo na odredjenom tlu, ne vidim mesta za trazenje neceg novog i uzbudljivog

osim ako ne mislis na neke totally independent poets
hahaha.ja vecu glupost odaaavno nisam cula. tj od kad zvezdica vise ne kaci nove postove
i sta kazes, sve sa odredjenog tla....
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By bas bleu
#1411736
Originally posted by ~anAMORphOsé~
Pa, kada je u gradivu dato sve sto je bukvalno nastalo na odredjenom tlu, ne vidim mesta za trazenje neceg novog i uzbudljivog

osim ako ne mislis na neke totally independent poets
izvini a na kom to fakultetu ti studiras/si studirao? :hmm:
By ~ Le Saint X ~
#1411817
Studirao sam na Sorboni komparativnu knjizevnost (Francuska i Engleska - USA included)

ca suffit pour Vous?

:france:
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By bas bleu
#1412457
Originally posted by ~anAMORphOsé~
Studirao sam na Sorboni komparativnu knjizevnost (Francuska i Engleska - USA included)

ca suffit pour Vous?

:france:
ja bih ladno mogla da stavim pare na to da se ni na jednom faksu ne radi "bukvalno sve sto je nastalo na tom tlu" a posebno ne kada su u pitanju studije komparativne knjizevnosti. bice da su te malo lagali ti tvoji frenchies. ah well.
By ~ Le Saint X ~
#1413632
Originally posted by bas bleu
Originally posted by ~anAMORphOsé~
Studirao sam na Sorboni komparativnu knjizevnost (Francuska i Engleska - USA included)

ca suffit pour Vous?

:france:
ja bih ladno mogla da stavim pare na to da se ni na jednom faksu ne radi "bukvalno sve sto je nastalo na tom tlu"
i ja bih mogao da stavim pare da si ti moje bukvalno shvatila suvise bukvalno

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