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Diskusija o HIV-u, podrska, iskustva...

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By Paki
#440561
U ponedeljak 13.2.2006. na prvom spratu Studentske poliklinike u Krunskoj ulici se u vremenu od 20h do pono?i organizuje besplatno no?no testiranje na HIV.

Rezultati i savetovanje su sutradan od 14 do 17h.
By RACABG
#444307
zadnji put u avgustu
htedoh i pre neki dan ali se setih pa ja sam u aseksualnoj fazi jebote od cega da dobijem :)
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By Milosija
#444323
Ja sam samo 2 picke omirisala, tako da se ne plasim, a da testirala sam se na sve pa i na to pre nekih nedelju dve, sve mi je ok. Lizite zene dok mozete i testirajte se dok ne bude kasno.
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By bambola
#453643
Originally posted by Milosija
Ja sam samo 2 picke omirisala, tako da se ne plasim, a da testirala sam se na sve pa i na to pre nekih nedelju dve, sve mi je ok. Lizite zene dok mozete i testirajte se dok ne bude kasno.

Zar ne rece da si silovana u srednjoj skoli te da se tip isvrsavao po tebi... :cekam: I to se racuna u rizik-i te kakav!
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By ::fy::
#463720
Akcija besplatnog savetovanja i testiranja na HIV bi?e održana u petak, 24. marta 2006. godine od 20.00 do 24.00 na Studentskoj poliklinici u Beogradu.

Kako je saopštio Zavod za zdravstvenu zaštitu studenata Beograd, testiranje je besplatno za sve graðane, bez obzira na to da li su studenti. Savetovanje posle testiranja i rezultati testa bi?e obavljeni i objavljeni u subotu, 25. marta, od 14.00 do 17.00.
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By Sutekh
#526603
Testirao sam se 2 puta, proshli put sam se testirao pre jedno 3-4 meseca. Planiram opet kroz koji dan.
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By ::fy::
#553396
Pre nego što odlučite da se testirate postavite sebi ovih nekoliko pitanja koja mogu biti od pomoći:

Kolika je verovatnoća da sam se zarazio/la, odnosno, da li sam do sada:
a) imao/la makar i jedan seksualni odnos bez kondoma?
b) imao/la seksualne odnose sa velikim brojem partnera ili sa osobom koja je imala seksualne odnose sa velikim brojem partnera?
c) imao/la seksualne odneose pod uticajem alkohola i/ili droge?
d) imao/la seksualne odnose sa osobom koja ubrizgava drogu u venu?
e) razmenjivao/la igle ili pribor za pripremanje i uzimanje droge intravenski?

Ako je vaš odgovor na neko od ovih pitanja DA, već postoje razlozi za testiranje.

Ali, pre nego što donesete definitivnu odluku o testiranju, treba razmisliti i o sledećem:
• Da li ćete moći da prihvatite rezultat testa, kakav god on bio?
• Da li će se vaš život u potpunosti promeniti ako imate infekciju?
• Da li ikome (i kome) da pričate o testiranju i o rezultatu testa?
• A kada dobijete rezultat bez obzira na to kakav je, da li ćete uspeti da promenite svoje ponašanje ka bezbednom ponašanju?

Za više informacija:

AIDS INFO TELEFON Omladina JAZAS-a 011/3248 235 svakog dana od 17 – 21

Gradski zavod za zaštitu zdravlja, Beograd
Tel: 011/323 00 38

Institut za zaštitu zdravlja Srbije 'Dr. Milan Jovanović Batut'
Tel: 011/684 566 Lok. 129

Zavod za zaštitu zdravlja studenata, Beograd
'Centar za prevenciju side i polno prenosivih infekcija'
Tel: 011/432 192
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By 2Q2Bstr8
#553686
...i takođe Centar Crvena linija u Novom Sadu: 021 6360 299. možete ih cimnuti i na mob 065 360 2999, pa će vas oni nazvati o sopstvenom trošku. možete postetiti i website http://www.crvena-linija.co.yu/

Centar radi anonimno i besplatno savetovanje o HIV/AIDS i svim polno prenosivim infekcijama, a možete se informisati i o reproduktivnom zdravlju. ako imate potrebu Centar možete posetiti i lično, a o svemu se možete dogovoriti sa njihovim volonterima.

takođe, website daje detaljne informacije o svemu i svačemu, pa vam toplo preporučujem!
By marrre
#595126
Citam dosta vas se testiralo zbog nekakve vize,jel to obavezno?
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By Loni
#728237
Upravo juče imali ste priliku da odete u Studentsku polikliniku na besplatno noćno testrianje (od 8 do 12) Možda će trajati još neki dan. U kancelariji sam to pročitao u novinama i iskoristio tu priliku da odem odmah posle posla odem tamo direktno.
(Pre toga poslednji put sam se testirao 1.decembra 2003. Idem samo na besplatna testiranja kao poslednji bednik jebiga)

U čekaonici neka plavuša grize nokte. Kaže spavala je s nekim mršavim narkomanom bez zaštite. Neki tip samo što ne zaplače od tebe. Opšta panika u svakom kraju čekaonice. Ja ispadoh još i najspokojniji tamo.

Pozvala me je na razgovar neka mlada crnka. Pitala me za razloge na osnovu kojih sumnjam bla bla bla. Ja se najpre počeh priču o tome kako sam na Egzitu, u nekom patoru u svinger varijanti izmenjao neke tri drugarice narkomanke za veče.
Ona me gleda mrko.
Ja taman da nastavim, ali tuc ... muc... malo se spetljah i kad videh da sam i sam sebi neuverljiv, priznah da sam gej.
- Manimo te tri lujke, one su epizoda. Znate, imao sam i gej odnose.

- A koristite li kondome uvek? - pitala me ona.
Ja rekoh: - Da. Sem u slučaju kad upadnem u dugu i ozbiljnu vezu sa osobom, kojoj sam veran i u koju imam poverenja.
A ona se zakači baš za te ,,osobe od poverenja''.
Pa koliko je bilo to poverenje?
Ja rekoh: - Veliko. Bio sam sa studentom medicine 9 meseci i samo s njim.
A ona me uhvati u mašinu - Aha, ako je neko student medicine to znači da je imun? Ako si mu ti bio veran, znači li da je i on tebi? Možeš li biti siguran u to?
Ja joj rekoh: - Apsolutno.
Ona: A ostali.
Ja: Sa svim ostalim preko kondoma. Jedino ako je neki slučajno nekad puk'o, da to nismo primetili.
- Ok - reče mi ona te me posla u drugu prostoriju, na ,,točenje''.

...

Danas u 2 sam išao po rezultate. Iako je verovatnoca da imam hiv možda svega 0,5 %, gonila me velika trema. Mislio sam kako ništa drugo u životu nije nimalo važno.
Dolazim tamo, žena uzima kovertu s mojim brojem. Vodi me u prostoriju, sedamo i onda otvaramo kovertu.
Tana na na...
- Rezultat je negativan. NEREAKTIVNI ste.
- Dobro je - pomislih i htedoh da je poljubim.

Ali bio sam srećan svega pola sata.
Čim sam se vratio u poslovnu kancelariju počele su da me more druge brige: - Da li ću sve završiti. Da li ću se zaposliti za stalno ili dobiti otkaz? Da li ću iamti pristojnu platu? Da li ću ovo, da li ono...
Život teče dalje i donosi 300 novih problema.



IPAK ŽELIM DA PRUŽIM UTEHU I ONIMA, KOJI NISU IMALI
SREĆE DA BUDU NEGATIVNI KAO JA, A ČITAJU OVAJ FORUM

- Nemojte se predati. Nemojte gubiti smisao života. Medicina je mnogo napredovala i danas se tim virusom ŽIVI čak možda i 30 godina od trenutka kad se zarazite. Lekovi, malo veća pažnja i takođe možete doživeti dug i srećan život. Možete i dalje voleti i biti voljeni i niko nema razloga da vas diskriminiše ni po jednom pitanju.
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By Dina
#732327
Bas su neprofesionalni i grubi na toj Studenstkoj poliklinici :( :mad: Ja sam danas bila na testiranju i kad budete isli bolje idite u Gradski zavod za zastitu zdravlja - preljubazni su i profesionalni. Ja nikad ne videh divniju doktorku i sestru. Inace imam strah od lekara a jos je samo saznanje na sta je test delovalo da sam bas bila nervozna i uplasena... tako da mi je bas spas sto su takve bile. Eh da su svi u zdravstvu i upola takvi... :sigh: Interesovale su ih samo osnovne informacije, nista suvise licno i detaljno me lekarka nije pitala. Predlozila mi je da radim analizu i na hepatitis B i C, pa sam i to radila kad sam vec bila tu. Test na hiv se ceka jedan dan a ovi drugi par dana. Sve je besplatno. Javicu kad bude rezultat, mislim da nema prevelikog rizika da sam pozitivna, sem ako nisam neki nevidjen baksuz...
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By Dina
#734195
Rezultati su mi dobri - tj. negativni, nereaktivna sam na sve HIV, HBSAG,HCV :)

Inace, reakcija mi je bila slicna kao kod Gorskog vilenjaka, samo sam mozda jos gora... Celo jutro sam tremisala i nisam otisla na posao, kasnila, bila poslednja, valjda sam htela i da ne stignem pa da idem opet. Medjutim na kraju ipak stigla na red. I kad su mi rekli onako 10 minuta mi je bilo super, sva srecna... Da bih nakon toga pocela da razmisljam o poslu, faxu, nekim sitnicama...
By Bombina
#734965
boze dina ,bas sam zabrinula s tim sazanjem ..primetim da izgledas normalnije i zadovaljavajuce
#806177
Zavod za zdravstvenu zaštitu studenata u Beogradu organizovaće danas besplatno noćno testiranje na HIV za sve zainteresovane građane.

Kako se navodi u saopštenju te zdravstvene institucije, istovremeno će biti organizovano i poverljivo savetovanje za zainteresovane.

Akcija savetovanja i testiranja će početi u petak u 20 časova , i trajaće do ponoći. Prostorije Zavoda se nalaze u Krunskoj 57.
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By vihalc
#809256
O testiranju:

tvrdi se da su testovi 99% precizni. Sta to u stvari znaci:

da je test 99% specifican i
da je 99% osetljiv (senzitivan)

specificnost vam kaze sa kojom preciznoscu test odredjuje prave negativne slucajeve. Primer, ako imamo populaciju od 1.000.000 ljudi od kojih je 995.000 negativnih (nivo infekcije od 0.5%), test koji je 99% specifican ce identifikovati 0.99 * 995.000 = 985.050 pravih negativnih. Ostatak od 995.000-985.050 = 9.950 pravih negativnih ce biti detektovan kao (lazni) pozitivni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specificity_(tests)

osetljivost vam kaze sa kojom preciznoscu test odredjuje prave pozitivne slucajeve. Primer, ponovo populacija od 1.000.000, nivo infekcije od 0.5%, sledi da ima 5000 pravih pozitivnih. Test koji je 99% osetljiv je identifikovati 5000*0.99=4950 pravih pozitivnih, dok ce ostatak od 5000-4950=50 pravih pozitivnih biti identifikovan kao (lazni) negativni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_(tests)

U zbiru , test koji je 99% specifican i 99% osetljiv, u populaciji gde je nivo zaraze 0.5%, daje:

negativnih = 985.050 (pravih) + 50 (laznih) = 985.100 ukupno negativnih.

verovatnoca da je vas negativan rezultat korektan je = 985.050 / 985.100 = 99.995 %

pozitivnih = 4950 (pravih) + 9950 (laznih) = 14.900 ukupno pozitivnih

verovatnoca da je vas pozitivan rezultat korektan je = 4950 / 14900 = 33.221 %

Dakle, kako je u Srbiji nivo infekcije jos uvek ispod 1%, sansa da ste stvarno zarazeni hiv-om, ukoliko vam test izadje pozitivan, je oko 33 % , iako ce vam lekari tvrditi da je test 99% precizan.

Ukoliko se tvrdi da je test 99.9 % precizan, tada ce verovatnoca da je vas pozitivan rezultat korektan biti 50% ako je nivo infekcije 0.1 %:

http://www.musc.edu/dc/icrebm/sensitivity.html

citat sa navedene (zvanicne ; ne disidentske !) stranice:

"When looking at the blood donor pool with a 0.1% sero-prevalence, the positive predictive value is only 0.5 (50%), whereas in the high- prevalence population of intravenous drug users, the positive predictive value is 0.99 (99%)."

prvi problem zvanicne teorije je da ta preciznost od 99% ili 99.9% nije utvrdjena na standardan nacin, tj. poredjenjem sa tzv. zlatnim standardom (golden standard) tj. sa samim virusom hiv. Ne. Preciznost je "utvrdjena" tako sto je Elisa test proveren pomocu WB testa, a WB test proveren pomocu Elisa testa. A zatim, ako su oba pozitivna, odredjuje se viral-load, koji se intepretira kao prisutnost virusa (dok se viral-load u negativnim osobama ignorise, jer Elisa i WB nisu dali pozitivan rezultat). Sve u svemu, ako vam sva 3 testa (Elisa, WB, i viral-load) daju pozitivan rezultat, kazu vam da ste zarazeni, iako ni jedan od tih testova nije proveren poredeci sa samim virusom (a, i kako bi kada virus jos uvek nije izolovan i preciscen), i kazu vam da ste zarazeni iako postoji sansa od oko 50% da niste (u zavisnosti od nivoa zaraze u celoj populaciji). U Africi je cak mnogo jednostavnije. U Africi se koristi tzv. Bangui definicija:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangui_definition

Pomocu te definicije, cak nije ni potrebno uraditi nikakav test. Dovoljno je da imate neku ozbiljnu bolest, da ste neuhranjeni, imate dijareju, malo kasljete, i da ste naravno siromasni crnac iz Afrike, ... doktor ce vam automatski u kartonu napisati: SIDA.

Kako zvanicna teorija zaobilazi cinjenicu da cak i 99% precizan test daje mnogo laznih pozitivnih slucajeva ukoliko je nivo infekcije u populaciji nizak? Jednostavno podelom populacije u razlicite klase. Definisanjem klasa niskog i visokog rizika, pretpostavljeni nivoi infekcije u razlicitim klasama se redefinisu. Tako da ce se i dalje smatrati da je nivo infekcije u heteroseksualnoj populaciji nizak, dok ce se za narkomane i homoseksualce unapred tvrditi da je nivo infekcije visok. Zbog toga vam svuda u svetu (ja sam se testirao i u Srbiji i u Nemackoj i u Spaniji - na moju nesrecu otkrio sam disidentske sajtove suvise kasno) prvo uraditi intervju, i postaviti pitanja da li pripadate "rizicnoj" grupi. Ukoliko kazete da ste heteroseksualac i da hocete da uradite test iz radoznalosti - poslace vas kuci. Ako ih ipak ubedite da uradite test, i test izadje pozitivan, opet ce vas ispitati o seksualnom zivotu, da li imate stalnog partnera koji je negativan i veran, da li ste bili izlozeni riziku itd, i ako utvrde da nema rizika, proglasice vas negativnim, a test ce se interpretirati kao lazno-pozitivan. Poslace vas kuci i reci da nema potrebe da se ikada ponovo testirate. Ako, sa druge strane, kazete da ste homoseksualac, i ako vam test izadje negativan, reci ce vam kako ste eto u ovom trenutku imali srece, da treba da se pazite, i da obavezno kroz 6 meseci dodjete da ponovite test. Prorocanstvo koje samo sebe ispunjava.

Za kraj. Pogledajte sta sami proizvodjaci testova navode na kutijama. Svaki se proizvodjac ogradjuje od odgovornosti i navodi da se test treba koristiti samo kao screening test, a NE kao diagnostic test.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screening_test

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_testing

Pogledajte sta je napisano na kutiji Abbott - Axsym - system antibody testa:

"At present there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of antibodies to HIV-1 and HIV-2 in human blood."

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By dule88
#810806
prvi i poslednji put sam se testirao u januaru 2007 godine...na studentskoj poliklinici u Beogradu.Nazalost,ja sam stigao u petak u 11 na testiranje,a rezultat je dosao tek u ponedjeljak .Bila su to tri muuuuuuuuuuucna dana.Inace,kad sam sa deckom isao po rezultate,usput sam kupio i jednu divnu knjigu koja se zove "Knjiga za kisni dan".Zajedno smo je procitali u jednom parku,smijali se i otisli po rezultate.Kad se doktorka pojavila na vratima odmah sam podigao onu istu knjigu i pitao je hoce li mi trebati.Pogledala je,nasmijala se i rekla:"nece,nereaktivni ste".Posle te knjige,sunce me ogrijalo.Bukvalno!!!!Kakvo olaksanje.......:cvetduga:
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By vihalc
#815594
Frequently Asked Questions

from the page of Prof. Dr. Peter Duesberg

http://www.duesberg.com

IAV = Inventing Aids Virus (Duesberg's book)

Q1: You say that there is no real decrease in new Aids cases. On the contrary, every year their number is on the rise. How do you explain that the official statistics in Italy (as in other European countries) s ay that the new cases have diminished by 11.3 percent in 1996 and 29 percent in 1997?

A1: Inventing the AIDS Virus (IAV) proposes that AIDS is caused by drugs. The decrease in new AIDS cases in the US in the last years confirms this proposal exactly, because thus decrease corresponds exactly to a steady decline in recreational drug consumption. For example, in the US spending for recreational drugs peaked at $91 billion in 1988 and steadily dropped to $53.7 billion in 1995.

Likewise the rapid increase of AIDS in the 1980s corresponded to the emergence of the explosive epidemics of recreational drug use in the US and Europe in the 1980s (see IAV).

(Where and when would I have said "there is no real decrease in new AIDS cases"???)


Q2: You appear to think that Azt may be the cause of the disease in stead of a cure for it: how is that possible when the drug has been used since 1987 while the first cases of this strange immune syndrome were reported in 1981?

A2: Between 1981 and 1984 the Centers of Disease Control in Atlanta and many independent American and English scientists have proposed that AIDS is a lifestyle disease caused by recreational drugs. See for example an editorial in the famous New England Journal of Medicine (vol. 305, p1465) by D. Durack proposing in 1981 that "recreational drugs [are] immunosuppressive".

Based on the lifestyle hypothesis of the early 1980s and my own research I have proposed in IAV that drugs cause AIDS. The drug hypothesis holds that AIDS is caused either by recreational drugs, or by DNA chain terminators such as AZT prescribed as anti-HIV drugs, or by a combination of both.

Indeed, I have pointed out that DNA chain terminators like AZT are muchmore toxic than recreational drugs such as cocaine and heroin. This mayhave created the erroneous impression that the many anti-HIV drugslicensed since 1987 are the only cause of AIDS.


Q3: If Azt is so toxic, how is it that the incidence of infected children has decreased from 25% to 8% (in Italy and in France) in babies born to mothers who had been treated with Azt during pregnancy?

A3: Treatment of HIV-positive, pregnant women with the DNA chain terminators has reduced the incidence of HIV in their babies from 25% to 8% in France and Italy as well as in the US. This is to be expected from a drug that was designed to kill cells including those in which HIV replicates. AZT was developed over 30 years ago to kill cells for cancer chemotherapy.

The first problem with this hypothetical triumph of anti-HIV treatment is that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. The second more serious problem that AZT induces abortion, and generates birth defects in humans and causes cancer in animals born to AZT-treated mothers. For example, a study published in 1994 found that among 104 AZT treated HIV positive women, 8 aborted spontaneously, 8 had to be aborted "therapeutically", and 8 had babies with birth defects such as cavities in the chest, heart defects, extra fingers, misplaced ears, triangular faces, misformed spine, and albinism (Kumar et al., J. AIDS, vol. 7, p1034 (1994), cited in IAV).


Q4: According to our leading experts the new cocktail (protease + transcriptase inhibitors) seems to work or at least to keep the disease at bay. How is that possible?

A4: Contrary to the assertions of your "leading experts", the anti-HIV drug cocktails are failing in the US. A front page article of the New York Times , showing dying AIDS patients, issued a first warning in August 1997: "Despite powerful new AIDS drugs many are still losing battle (NYT, August 22, 1997).

By September 1997 the American press already reported that "AIDS drug cocktails fail 53%" (San Francisco Examiner, September 29, 1997). In view of this I wonder what your "leading experts" do to make the cocktails "work". Where did they publish their success stories?


Q5: Statistics in western countries show that there are fewer deaths among people with Aids. If it is not because of the new treatment, what are the reasons?

A5: The reasons why the AIDS epidemic is declining were given in A1, the answer to Q1. Recreational drug consumption has recently declined and therefore AIDS.

However, there is no evidence to support the claim that this is due to the new AIDS drug cocktails. Such evidence would have to show, that those who still get AIDS are not treated, and those who don't get AIDS are treated. But this is not the case in the US. Practically all American AIDS patients are treated with the new drug cocktails, but they continue to die.


Q6: In your book you envisage a possibile role of the 'poppers' as promoters of the syndrome because of their action on the immune system. In Italy, however, only ten percent of the gay community is estimated to use poppers. How do you explain then the Aids cases among the Italian gays?

A6: Since I do not have documentation on drug use by Italian male homosexuals, I cannot answer this question directly. Please provide a reference for your assertion that only 10% use poppers.

However, drug use by American, English, Dutch, Canadian and Australian male homosexuals has been reported in the scientific literature: They use batteries of recreational drugs as sexual stimulants, including poppers (nitrite inhalants), amphetamines, ethyl chloride, cocaine, speed, heroin, in addition to a "polypharmacy" of medical drugs. Many of these, and particularly combinations of these drugs cause AIDS defining diseases - regardless of the presence of HIV.


Q7: You mention studies reporting that a Hiv-positive person needs an average of 1000 unprotected sexual intercourses to transmit the Hiv virus. How was it possible to establish such an average? Does that mean that condoms are useless to prevent the spreading of the disease?

A7: The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta were the first to publish in 1989 in the New England Journal of Medicine (see IAV) that it takes about 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts with an HIV-positive person to become positive. The CDC's numbers are based on thousands of "discordant" hemophilia couples, in which the husband was positive from a transfusion and some of their wives became positive over time. Recent studies on homosexual couples, other heterosexual couples and singles have confirmed the CDC's original number (see IAV).

With regard to your question about the usefulness of condoms in preventing AIDS my answer is twofold: (1) Since AIDS is caused by drugs, not by HIV, condoms do not prevent AIDS. (2) However, since many doctors prescribe DNA chain terminators such as AZT as anti-HIV drugs to healthy HIV-positives, and since DNA chain terminators cause AIDS - condoms are useful after all. They protect people who have an average of 1,000 sexual contacts with HIV-positives from infection, and thus from AIDS caused by anti-HIV medication.


Q8: You state that any microbe that kills all his hosts would end up by committing suicide. So what? Do you believe in a 'survival finalism' in nature, in a sort of intelligence of the virus?

A8: Life is comparable to the law: it is based on logic and precedent. There >>>>is neither a precedent for a virus that consistently kills it's host, as is claimed for HIV, nor would it be logical for a virus to kill the host it needs for its survival.

The "intelligence of a virus" killing consistently its host, would be the same as that of a car that consistently kills its drivers because it does not have brakes.


Q9: The WHO estimates that there are 17 million healthy seropositives in the world. You say that many thousands are discovered every year in the American Army. 'When' and 'how' were they infected and 'why' most of them don't get sick?

A9: HIV, like all other retroviruses in animals and humans, is perinatally transmitted from mother to child. All viruses and microbes that are perinatally transmitted in nature are harmless for the reasons stated in A8. Thus those 17 million HIV positives who are healthy, are those who do not use recreational and/or anti-HIV drugs.


Q10: The new tests (Pcr) can detect the virus not only its antibodies. How is it that many people die of Aids with no trace of Hiv in their blood? Is it hidden or non existent?

A10: Contrary to your assertion, the new PCR test does not detect "the virus". Instead it detects a piece of the viral RNA or DNA genome, but not even the complete genome. Typically any virus, whose RNA or DNA must be detected by this method, is neutralized by antibody and is thus latent, and not infectious. It is for this reason that this very expensive method was introduced to detect "the virus" in AIDS patients. It would be much cheaper, and biologically much more relevant if infectious HIV could be detected. The difficulty in detecting infectious virus was reason for the fraud charges of the Pasteur Institute against leading AIDS researchers in the US (Gallo) and the UK (Weiss).

The PCR method was invented by Kary Mullis, who wrote the foreword for IAV, to detect a needle in a haystack. But a needle in a haystack does not cause a fatal disease. This is in fact one of the fatal flaws of the HIV-AIDS hypothesis.

The reason why "many people die of AIDS with no trace of HIV" is simple. Since AIDS is caused by drugs, HIV must not be present in AIDS patients - this is the hallmark of a passenger virus.


Q11: You say that 90% of Aids patients are still men. In Africa the ration between men and women is 1 to 1 and in Eastern Europe, i.e. Romania, is 6 to 4. Why this difference?

A11: This misrepresents what I state in IAV. I have stated that, according to the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization, almost 9 out of 10 AIDS patients in America and Western Europe are males.

I did not say that they are "still men", because I am not a prophet, I am just a scientist.

A whole chapter of IAV explains why African AIDS is different. The African AIDS epidemic has only one thing in common with the American/European AIDS epidemic - the name. African AIDS is caused by malnutrition, parasitic infection and poor sanitation. There are no risk groups in Africa, like drug addicts and homosexuals. It is for this reason that African AIDS is equally distributed between the sexes. Moreover, practically no African AIDS patients have pneumocystis pneumonia, dementia or Kaposi's sarcoma - the signal diseases of AIDS in the US and Europe. Above all, African AIDS is diagnosed without even attempting an HIV test, which is too expensive for Africa. Thus there is no scientific evidence for the correlation between HIV and African AIDS, only guesses.


Q12: Has the blood screening reduced the number of infections among hemophiliacs?

A12: This is a good question! I assume this would be so. But surprisingly neither the US nor Europe has published how HIV- screening of blood supplies has affected the incidence of HIV in the American and European hemophiliacs. Please let me know if you have such publications.


Q13: You complain about the discrimination by the scientific community and about the grants denied by the NIH for your research on the long term effects of drugs. Has something changed after the publication of your book in the States?

A13: The non-funding of non-conformists has not changed in the US. Iassume it would be fatal for the current AIDS establishment if they were proven wrong, and that is why it will not change soon.


Q14: Is there any Italian scientist who agrees with your unorthodox views? And in Europe?

A14: There are some Italian scientists who have the same questions about the unproductive HIV hypothesis as I do. For example Dr. Fabio Franchi in Trieste and Dr Raffaele Cascone in Morlupo. Others like Prof. Leonida Santamaria and Dr. Raul Vergini (Predappio) have organized conferences in 1993 in Pavia and in 1994 in Bologna that have openly questioned the HIV-AIDS hypothesis.


Q15: Why did you write your book not in the first person but in the third one?

A15: The third person was chosen, because the book was written as a documentary, rather than a biography or a novel.


Q16: The best way I know to prove the HIV hypothesis wrong is to infect otherwise perfectly healthy people with HIV, don't give them any treatment, and see what happens. I know this type of research has been done with animals. Since you can't experiment on other people, why don't you infect yourself? Maybe you can recruit some followers and have a "population" for a real experiment.

A16: I have considered, even offered, this directly. Here are the problems:

1) In the US, it is not possible to work with HIV without the approval of the National Institutes of Health and the university. Thus I would need an NIH peer-approved grant to do this. Without such a contract I would risk my lab and job.

2) In addition, if 10 years after injecting myself I would still be without symptoms, the HIV-AIDS orthodoxy would call me a bluff unless I had had a grant that allowed for appropriate controls. I have submitted 9 grant applications to study AIDS, including doing the study you mention, but none was approved.

3) In the US there are 1 million HIV-positive persons without any symptoms, and in the world there are an estimated 34 million. Monitoring a few hundred of these for AIDS and non-viral AIDS risks would be a statistically much more relevant experiment than if one person injected himself. But surprisingly such studies are not done. Why not? Guess!
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By stefan19
#818724
Juce se testirao na HIV, syphilis, Hepatitis, i sad cekam rezultate. Drzite mi palceve please. Jaaaako se bojim...
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By vihalc
#818803
Originally posted by stefan19
Juce se testirao na HIV, syphilis, Hepatitis, i sad cekam rezultate. Drzite mi palceve please. Jaaaako se bojim...
A, zasto se toliko bojis ? Magic Johnson je "pozitivan" vec 16 godina i nista mu ne fali.
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By stefan19
#819107
Originally posted by vihalc
Originally posted by stefan19
Juce se testirao na HIV, syphilis, Hepatitis, i sad cekam rezultate. Drzite mi palceve please. Jaaaako se bojim...
A, zasto se toliko bojis ? Magic Johnson je "pozitivan" vec 16 godina i nista mu ne fali.
Bojim se jer bi u slucaju da sam HIV + moj xivot dobio potpuno drugaciji preokret. Nije to samo do mene. Ja imam i porodicu kojoj bih morao to da saopstim. Morao bih da se snalazim za lekove i ostale brige. Niposto ne zelim to da mi se dogodi...
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By Zoe
#819110
Pre 10 dana, testirala se na hepatitisB, C i na hiv.......negativna :nokti:
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By spliff
#819118
Originally posted by stefan19
Juce se testirao na HIV, syphilis, Hepatitis, i sad cekam rezultate. Drzite mi palceve please. Jaaaako se bojim...
:fige:
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By 2Q2Bstr8
#819296
Originally posted by stefan19Niposto ne zelim to da mi se dogodi...
u tom slučaju bi bilo strava kad bi pazio šta radiš i čuvao sebe, je l' da? :yes:
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By stefan19
#819683
Originally posted by 2Q2Bstr8
Originally posted by stefan19Niposto ne zelim to da mi se dogodi...
u tom slučaju bi bilo strava kad bi pazio šta radiš i čuvao sebe, je l' da? :yes:
Najvise me nervira sto se ni nisam nesto da izvines jebakao, vec sam imao nezasticeni sex sa cimerom sa kojim xivim i poznajem ga vec 5 godina. A imao sam i oralni sa covekom koga poznajem duze od godinu, i rekao mi je da je negativan.
Ali opet se bojim jaaaako....
U svakom slucaju, bilo kako bilo, vise nikad ne zasticen sex!
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By stefan19
#820063
JEEEEEEEE Testirao se na HIV, Hepatitis, Clamidia i na sve sam NEGATIVAN!!!
BOZE HVALA TI!!!! PRESRECAN SAM!!!!!
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By stefan19
#820092
E, kad nisam umro cekajuci. Sinic nisam ni spavao maltene. Probudio se u 3:15, i nisam mogao da spavam do 5. Jos sam dobio temperaturu od stresa. Uzas. Ne daj boze nikom da se zezne i ima sex bez zastite. NIKAD VISE!!!
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By stefan19
#820093
Originally posted by spliff
Originally posted by stefan19
Juce se testirao na HIV, syphilis, Hepatitis, i sad cekam rezultate. Drzite mi palceve please. Jaaaako se bojim...
:fige:
Hvala :kiss:
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By vjestica
#886723
Nisam imala razloga za brigu...ali kad je vec isla prijateljica,isla i ja-dva puta.
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By Kylender
#996543
Hm... Negde procitah da neko pise kako je na poliklinici samo nekad besplatno. Ja sam se uvek tamo testirao za dz. Doduse, mozda se od marta nesto promenilo...

p.s. Postoji jedna plavusa, lekarka koja je vrlo ljubazna i sa puno takta... :) Trazite nju :) . Toliko je cool, da nisam ni pomisljao na anonimnost ili da nesto lazem...
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By 2Q2Bstr8
#996769
trebalo bi da je besplatno, jer se već neko vreme (godinu-dve) sprovodi taj program ne-sećam-se-više-kako-se-zove, a čiji je cilj da se obezbede reagensi i besplatno testiranje.
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